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An Interview with Jo Graham

After reading Jo’s second gorgeous novel, Hand of Isis, I knew I had to get her on the blog again for another interview, and not only did Jo agree and answer the questions I had, she also gave me some great news to post here – the first public announcement of a new project! 🙂 I’ll bold it, of course, so that you don’t miss it!


First of all, thanks for once again agreeing to an interview, Jo! 🙂 It’s an honour to have you back on the blog! 🙂 So, Black Ships, Hand of Isis and soon, Stealing Fire: how does it feel? 🙂

It feels wonderful! I’m delighted to be able to write full time right now. I’m already working on the next Numinous World book, tentatively called Lioness. It’s about a Persian princess in the 6th century BC, the daughter of Darius the Great.

    I also have a new project, which I’m talking about publicly for the first time here, a Stargate Atlantis novel, Death Game, which is due out in the US and UK in November 2010


It couldn’t have all been a walk in the park – how do you deal with life while having to remain focused on your writing?

My partner, Amy, is a saint! She’s wonderful when I have deadlines, and she puts up with months of conversation about the most obscure things.

Now that you have two much-loved and acclaimed novels out in the world, has your life changed markedly since Black Ships or has it been much of the same?

As I said, it’s wonderful to be able to write full time. And unsurprisingly I’m getting much more done!


Let’s talk about Gull and Charmian – can you take us behind the scenes (without spoiling those who haven’t yet read Hand of Isis) and talk about the creation and evolution of these wonderful characters?

Both of them are explorations of different archetypes that aren’t very common in fiction, especially fiction about women. Gull is a priestess, and while heroic fantasy has plenty of young warrior maidens, the priestess has been largely overlooked in recent years. You really have to go back to Marion Zimmer Bradley, Diana Paxson and Judith Tarr to find her. Gull puts her vocation first. It’s more important than any person in her life, more important than anything else in her life. We don’t talk about religious devotion very well in our society, so it’s very gratifying to me to hear from readers, from a female rabbinical student, from a woman minister in the Midwestern US, from a female Church of England divinity student, that they see their experiences reflected in Gull.

Charmian is a different archetype. She’s Isis Pelagia, not Isis the Lady of Amenti, the Queen of Love. And as such, she doesn’t belong to any man, doesn’t commit to any lover. She belongs to herself, and shares herself where she chooses. And yet it’s not selfish. Charmian is honest, and she’s not playing games or “working through issues.” It’s who she is. And she doesn’t know one end of a weapon from the other! She’s not a warrior maiden, and we have very ambivalent feelings about a woman like her in our society.

They’ve both been fascinating to write, the same person embodying two entirely different archetypes. In Stealing Fire we’ll see her as a man, Lydias, a soldier and adventurer.


You told me a while ago that you wanted your Cleopatra to be as close to the historical Cleopatra as possible and not to let your own opinions of her influence her characterization – was this difficult to do?

Very difficult! Almost everything we know about Cleopatra comes from her enemies. We don’t have contemporary Egyptian sources, so it’s very challenging to reconstruct.

Comparing Hand of Isis to Black Ships, your talents for world-building and characterization have really blossomed, and you’ve really built upon the work done in Black Ships and made Hand of Isis a bigger, more beautiful book: were there any specific areas you wanted to improve upon?

Thank you! I’m glad you think so. It’s a much longer book, and I think a lot of the difference is the depth of the world building. So…more space!

The characters that share Charmian’s tale are all unique in their own right, able to carry a novel on their own – how difficult was it to keep them fresh and engaging without making them echoes of the supporting cast from Black Ships?

Well, the echoes go forward and back! Many of them are meant to be the same characters, but they don’t present the same way each time. They are echoes of each other, and of the characters from other stories that aren’t told yet. But I think their life stories, what happens to them, makes them distinct. For example, Dion and Ashterah aren’t by any means the same person!

What are you feelings on the recently unveiled new over art for the re-print of Black Ships? Is that your Gull, or as close as it could be?

It’s gorgeous! That’s definitely my Gull!


Are there any plans to give your novels a ‘series’ title? Maybe something like The Saga of the Companions? 😉 Or would you like each novel to stand on its own?

I’ve been calling it The Numinous World. But the question of a series title is really up to my publisher.

How is Stealing Fire progressing and are you able to give us a sneak peek at what we can expect?

Stealing Fire is finished! It’s strange with the publication delay to wait so long for you to see it after I finish it. Stealing Fire was done in December! Since then I’ve written an entire other book, which is not currently sold so I can’t say when you might get it, a Numinous World book called The Chariot set in 1805. I’ve also started on Lioness and on Death Game. So finishing Stealing Fire seems like it happened a long time ago to me!

Sneak peak: Alexander the Great has died in Babylon, leaving the ashes of his empire to his quarrelling generals and his unborn son. Lydias of Miletus is a Companion Cavalryman, a soldier in Alexander’s service. As chaos reigns and the generals start to kill one another, General Ptolemy trusts Lydias with a charge of incredible personal importance, to get his longtime lover, the hetaira Thais, and their two young children out of Babylon and safely away from the bloodbath. Fleeing Babylon for the loyal fortress of Pelousion, Lydias is dragged into a deadly game — not just between generals and Companions, but between gods.

And finally, what would you like to explore further down the road? Any other genres you’d like to dabble in?

I’m looking forward to the challenge of the Stargate Atlantis novel. As a long time fanfic writer, it’s wonderful to be paid to write fanfic! I hope it will be a pleasure both to Stargate Atlantis viewers and to Jo Graham readers.

Thanks, Jo, for once again taking the time to answer these questions! 🙂 We all wish you continued success and many, many more wonderful books on our shelves! 🙂

Thank you so much! I appreciate it!

Well there you have it! Not only will be Jo be bringing us more of her own trademark beautiful tales, following an amazing cast of characters, but she will also be delving into the world of Stargate Atlantis! 🙂 I’m sure you’ll all agree with me when I say that all of this is definitely much to look forward to! 🙂



Posted by on June 26, 2009 in Interviews


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New Covers: Black Ships by Jo Graham & The Desert Spear by Peter V Brett (German Edition)

Hey everyone, saw this at Orbit and decided to re-post it here, seeing as how I’ve read and reviewed Black Ships and Hand of Isis as well as interviewed JO. 🙂


What do you think?

Also, Peat posted this on his blog on the 9th – what is assumed to be the German Edition of The Desert Spear! 🙂 Pretty cool, but Larry Rostant’s covers are still incredible! 🙂


Be Fantastic!

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Posted by on May 11, 2009 in Announcements


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Review: Hand of Isis – Jo Graham

I finished the last 100 pages of Hand of Isis this morning, when I woke up from a very weird dream at around half past 3 and couldn’t sleep anymore. I brewed up a cup of black coffee, got my cigarettes within reach, and settled in to read. Only when I set the book down did I realize that I hadn’t moved the whole time, except to reach for my long-empty cup and to light a cigarette; my bladder was killing me!

This is the kind of thing you can expect to happen to you, my friends, be forewarned! 🙂

And I don’t mean that only the last hundred pages will capture you – the entire book will! But you know, things like work, having to eat and sleep sometimes, they will keep you away for a short time. 🙂 But you will always want to return to Hand of Isis. 🙂

First, let me tell you about what a mission it was to get hold of this book! I’d been following Jo Graham on her LiveJournal for a while already after reading and reviewing Black Ships, and I saw an announcement on there that she was having giveaways for Hand of Isis – all that we had to do was leave a comment and she would pick the winners from the comment. So I left my comment, gushing about how I couldn’t wait to read Hand of Isis, and Jo replied, saying that she would get the publishers to send me a copy since I was reviewer. The copy gets sent off, and I’m practically sweating in anticipation… It arrives at my local post office… Sits there for probably two months… And I’m there every few days, asking and checking whether it’s arrived… But the post office staff are so third-bloody-world and couldn’t be bothered to do their jobs properly and don’t look for the package, telling me it hasn’t arrived! So, in the end, it gets sent back, because I haven’t collected it!

Well, I moan and groan about it to Liz over at My Favourite Books – she get’s in touch with a certain wonderful lady over at Little, Brown, and the book gets sent – but the address I gave (the bookshop where I used to work) effectively ceases to exist because the store, and the whole company, goes bankrupt and closes down! 😦 No book. So I spill my sorrows on Liz again, and she gives me the wonderful lady at Little, Brown’s email address; after mailing her, explaining what happened and giving her my home address, I finally get the book! 🙂 Then I finish the books I was busy with at that time and settle down to read…


Hand of Isis is, in a nut shell, about learning what one’s place is in life, and learning to love that life and accept what comes. We are introduced to Charmian who, as with Gull in Black Ships, will take us through the world Jo imagined. And through Charmian, we will meet Cleopatra, Gaius Julius Caesar, Marcus Antonius, and a host of other characters, some of which seem comfortingly familiar… The tale that unfolds will echo in the hearts of everyone who reads the book because we’ve all been in the same situations the characters are placed in, and you will sink away into the story…

It’s easy, from the get-go, to see how comfortable Jo is in her writing, now; not that she wasn’t comfortable in Black Ships – her debut possessed a raw and fetching beauty, as Cleopatra was in her younger years, but Hand of Isis possesses the stately, knowledgeable and serenely confident beauty of Cleopatra after Gaius Julius Caesar. Jo knows now what she is capable of, having tested the waters, and I’m certain that we will be in awe of Stealing Fire, her next book, when it hits the shelves.

Everything that we came to admire about Jo’s writing has become orders of magnitude better – her characters are beautifully realized, so much so that you’ll find yourself wanting to actually meet them, observe them, talk with them. Having watched the HBO series Rome, read Asterix and Cleopatra and also read Conn Iggulden’s Emperor: The Gods of War, I’ve come to know many different incarnations of Cleopatra, Caesar, Mark Antony, as have many of you, I’m sure; the versions that live in Hand of Isis seem somehow more personal, as if we’ve been given an intimate glimpse of the real people behind the historical figures. Some, like Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius) surprised me, others gained greater stature (Gaius Julius Caesar), and others I fell in love with (Charmian and Cleopatra herself). One of the marks of storytelling that will be long-remembered is the ability to create characters that live in your imagination, and consequently, your heart, and Jo’s has such a talent at this that if it could be solidified and prepared, a pyramid could be constructed! 🙂

The worldbuilding in Hand of Isis, too, is far beyond what Jo achieved with Black Ships; the Alexandria of Charmian and Cleopatra is vibrant, beautiful, and immense, a character in itself with its own rhythms and moods. Even Rome is amazing! But the worldbuilding never drowns out the progress of the tale or the characters, either; it immerses you in the scents, sounds, sights and flavors of that time so that every page springs up like a 3-D landscape that you yourself travel through.

This is a tale to savour, to sink into, and to remember and fall in love with. Expect to be surprised by the strength and Jo’s vision, expect to book tickets with a time-travel agency to spend a few weeks in Cleopatra’s Egypt (and if you know of such an agency, let me know!), expect to feel all the emotions the characters feel, expect to feel and odd disappointment at the end of the book because you didn’t want it to end, and expect the shedding of tears…

I highly, highly recommend Hand of Isis to anyone, everyone, who loves good storytelling, wonderful characters, history-buffs (even though I’m not one and cannot speak to the historical accuracy of the novel), hopeless romantics… You will all love this book! 🙂

C’mon, Jo! Stealing Fire! I need it! 🙂



Posted by on April 18, 2009 in Reviews


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The South African Post Office Sucks

Please excuse me while I rant a bit. 😦

Remember wayyy back when I won a Limited Edition Signed Copy of Peter F Hamilton’s The Temporal Void on Pat’s Fantasy Hotlist? Well, it arrived, but the Post Office didn’t let me know, and it was sent back, or vanished, or something, because I never picked it up. Except, the thing is I was at the Post Office every damn weekend, asking if it was there, checking their ‘books’ to see if the book had arrived, and every time they said that it hadn’t! 😦 So Pat, if you ever read this, I’m really sorry that you may receive the book back, but it was out of my hands and they buggered me around. 😦

And Jo Graham, 😦 I never received your second book for the same reason. The book arrived, but they never let me know, and each time I was there, they told me that if it wasn’t recorded in their ‘books’ then it hadn’t arrived. So I’m really sorry about that – but as soon as I see it on the shelves here I’ll get myself a copy and read and review it! 🙂

Anyway, ranting’s done. Had to get that off my chest. Bloody Third-World systems and mentality’s…. 😦


Posted by on January 20, 2009 in Musings


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On the Horizon… :-)

Okay, here’s the latest book I got in the post. 🙂 Haven’t read any Jonathan Stroud yet, so I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully by next week some time I’ll be getting some new books from either Random House or Penguin Books, and I’m expecting Jo Graham’s Hand of Isis any time now! 🙂

Be Fantastic!

Heroes of the Valley

Heroes of the Valley

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Posted by on November 11, 2008 in New Arrivals


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An Interview with Jo Graham

Having just read Black Ships, I find myself contented and smiling; the book was a wonderful read, and I recommend it to any lover and ancient history, romance and adventure. J I’m sure all of you out there who also read the book and enjoyed it will be pleased to know that the author of Black Ships, Jo Graham, has agreed to an interview, so without further ado, here’s Jo Graham! J




First off, it’s wonderful to have this opportunity to interview you, Jo; welcome to the South African historical/fantasy-reading public! J Will you please tell us a bit about yourself – who you are, your influences and loves (both in the world of books and outside of it)?


I’m sure it’s no surprise that one of my greatest influences is Cape Town writer Mary Renault!  If I could give my left arm to have written one book, it would be Mary Renault’s The Persian Boy.  I would say that she’s a major influence both in choice of material and in the presentation.  In The Persian Boy she also uses a first person narrator, and that is one of the things that gives tremendous immediacy to events and cultures long gone.  This is also true of her The Mask of Apollo and The Last of the Wine, two other books I would consider tremendous influences.  Her writing is endlessly graceful, but you can see the swift flow of muscle beneath the prose.


Another influence would be James Mitchener’s Tales of the South Pacific.  While most people today know it as the musical South Pacific, the novel it’s based on is quite different, much more serious.  And like Mary Renault, he’s taking the reader to a place not so far removed in time, but so different from the experience of most readers that it seems strange and uncharted territory.  That’s the kind of journey I’d like to take readers on — to step into a life very different from their own and wear someone else’s skin.



What led you to write Black Ships, and can you tell us a bit about the journey of starting the novel through to getting it published?


I started writing Black Ships purely for my own enjoyment, and started posting it in bits on the internet for my friends all over the world, who were reading it as a serial.  One of them was the friend of a literary agent, and she showed it to the agent who sold it.  It was actually entirely unexpected! 



When reading the novel, we see, hear, feel and experience the ancient Mediterranean through Gull: was it difficult to stay in her head and keep her voice suited to that world? I’m asking because your writing never wavered and totally immersed us in Gull’s world. J


Actually, I never found it difficult to stay in Gull’s head.  What I found hard was to find the language to express what was there in terms that a modern person would understand.  Gull doesn’t have the vocabulary to put things in our terms.  For example, how to explain the crashing disasters at the end of the Bronze Age without words like economics, ecology, plate tectonics, technological change?  Those words don’t even exist — they’re the product of the Classical world that comes after, the world of the rise of states after this period of disaster.  So part of the challenge is to show the events without using any of the words a modern reader would use to describe them! 


When you set out to write Gull’s story, did you know exactly where you would be going and who would survive the journey?


Yes.  I knew how it would end.  One of the first things I wrote in my head was the last chapter and epilogue.  I knew what would happen.  But I still cried buckets when I wrote the end!  In fact, I can’t read it now without tearing up!


We’ve had writers such as Manfredi, Iggulden, Jaques, Pressfield (to name a few) and now yourself writing the stories and legends of ancient cultures and peoples, and many of these books are incredibly popular: to what to you attribute this burgeoning interest in historical novels?


We’re looking for heroes, actual heroes, people who choose to do hard things because they’re right.  That’s one of the main points of Black Ships, I think.  Neas and Xandros and Gull are heroes because they try to do what’s right even when it’s very difficult for them.  Sometimes that’s big things, and sometimes it’s small.  One of the critical decisions for Gull is her reaction to seeing Xandros and Ashterah in Byblos.  She thinks about it.  She could pitch a fit, she could sulk, she could punish him for being interested in someone besides her, she could sour the friendship and the working relationship they have out of jealousy.  Or she could choose not to.  Her choice to conduct herself in this small personal way with dignity and integrity is a major turning point of the book.  If she had been jealous and angry, everything from then on built on the trust between Neas, Xandros and Gull would have been impossible.  Being a hero is not only about saving the world — it’s about taking personal responsibility for your actions and not giving in to your worse nature.


When you watched the movie 300, were you able to enjoy it or did the reality of what happened spoil the movie for you? J


Actually, I’ve never seen it!  After the trauma of watching Troy, I skipped it.  I only got as far as the llamas in Troy before I couldn’t take anymore!  (Yes, honest to God there is a llama.  I just….)


Other than Xandros’ cooking J is there anything else (or many things) that you wish you could have experienced from that Age?


I would love to sail on a ship of that era.  In nice weather!  And I would love to see Egypt in that period.


How did you approach getting the research you did for Black Ships done?


A little at a time.  There was a great deal of it, and some of it got very complicated.  One of the hardest things is that the native language of the Wilusans is not Greek — it’s Arzawan, which is a very dead language that comes down to us mainly through place and personal names, and a little bit from the Hittite archives.  I think the Arzawan was the biggest challenge. 


But in some ways, the research for Black Ships was far easier than for my next book, due out next March.  That book is Hand of Isis, which is about the court of Cleopatra and the end of Ptolemaic Egypt.  If the challenge in Black Ships was that too little was known, the challenge for Hand of Isis is that too much is known!  In Black Ships I had a certain latitude to make something up when there simply weren’t any known facts.  That was not true of Hand of Isis.


Out of all the characters, would you be able to choose one that you loved writing more than the others?


I love writing Gull, and I’m going to keep writing her.  In Black Ships, Gull almost-kind-of remembers her lives before, in a Minoan palace before the eruption of Santorini, and in Egypt.  Gull has been some interesting places, and the soul that is her has a lot more to go.  Her next stop is Ptolemaic Egypt, but it’s only the first stop on a long and interesting trip!


The UK cover for Black Ships is very striking – were you able to have any input in the creative process behind getting the cover done?


Yes, and I was incredibly pleased with the result.  I think they did a wonderful job!  I particularly like that you can see the copper hair pins.


Are there any authors whose work you follow, both in the genre and out? Any recommendations? J


Everybody’s probably read it, but if you liked Black Ships I recommend Marion Zimmer Bradley’s The Mists of Avalon.  I also always follow Judith Tarr.  Her Lord of the Two Lands is my favourite of hers.


Finally, what is next for you (and us)? Will you be carrying on with Gull’s story or will you embark on a new journey?


I’m carrying on with Gull, but in a new body and with a new face!  Gull loved Egypt, and perhaps her greatest regret was that she could not stay.  Gull has returned to Egypt in the last days of the Ptolemies before Caesar comes to Alexandria as Charmian, the half-sister of Cleopatra by one of the palace slave women.  She may not remember all she has done before, but she is always and forever an oracle.  Hand of Isis will be out in March, and I hope you enjoy it!  I’ll be putting updates and perhaps some excerpts on my livejournal,  There’s also more info about Black Ships there, and I am always happy to answer reader questions.


Thank you for giving up your time for this interview, Jo, it was great having this chat. J

Black Ships UK Edition

Black Ships UK Edition


Go ahead and get this book guys, you won’t be disappointed! 🙂

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Posted by on September 1, 2008 in Interviews


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Interviews on the way

Thought I’d get you all up to speed on interviews that are on the way: 🙂

First off, I’ve finished Black Ships, and I’ve posted my review, so get out there and buy the book!



 You’ll love it! 🙂 I’m waiting for Jo to send back the interview questions (when she gets time 🙂 ) so that’ll be up soon, and I’m also waiting for Peter F Hamilton to send back the interview I sent him (though I saw on his blog that he had an unplanned visit to the hospital – everything seems to be okay though 🙂 ) so that will also be up here soon. 🙂

Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get Joe Abercrombie for an interview, but that’s totally understandable – he’s busy with his next book, so yè, let’s all leave him alone. 🙂

 Till next time, Be Fantastic!
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Posted by on August 26, 2008 in Announcements, Musings


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Black Ships – Jo Graham

Black Ships

Black Ships


Yesterday evening I finished Black Ships. I had been reading it in the bath, so I set the book aside and lay back, thinking about what had just ended. Guys, if you see this book on a bookstore’s shelf, buy it and read it and get lost in it; I did, and I now know that I’ve read a book that’ll always stay with me.


Let me quickly put this into perspective for you: I primarily read Epic Fantasy and Hard SF (many other genres inbetween but the two above are my great loves), and I had  read David Anthony Durham’s Acacia before Black Ships; you see, since I had an idea what to expect from Jo’s book, I knew that I wasn’t going to be reading Epic Fantasy, so I didn’t expect anything like that from Black Ships.


But I also didn’t expect to be utterly mesmerized by the book! 🙂

Black Ships is a beautiful read, absolutely and without doubt, beautiful! Jo’s economy and elegance with words completely pulls you in – she tells the story with exactly the right amount of detail, thereby painting her landscapes and characters in effortless strokes.



You never have one of the moments where you think, ‘Huh? What’s that?’ and then have to go back and re-read a section. You also never have to skip a section – Jo never bored me, and every word that slipped in through my eyes stayed there. There were never any words that seemed out of place or wrong, where as soon as you read them, you think, ‘Okay, I wouldn’t have used that word or so many words to explain that or this.’ and her narrative style is so easy on the eyes and brain that before you know it, you’ve finished the first 100 pages and it doesn’t matter that you missed your favourite TV show or that it’s half-past 3 in the morning; but don’t misunderstand me either – I could put this book down and go do something else, but the fact that I’m trying to articulate here is that Black Ships was always in my mind. I never stopped thinking about the book or the characters or the world that Jo Graham shows us.


Some books that I’ve read have pride of place above the others: Pet Sematary because I read it when I was nine years old; The Reality Dysfunction because I finished that 1000+ page book in less than a week (that’s how incredible the book is) and now Black Ships because of its beauty. 🙂


This is one of the tiny minority of books that brought tears to my eyes, and I am proud to say that; I lived with Jo’s characters for two weeks and now that the journey is over, I am sad, there’s no doubting that. I’ll miss Gull and Xandros and Aeneas, their ancient world, and yes, I’ll even miss the Lady of the Dead. I’m purposefully not telling you what you can expect plotwise because 1) you can check out her own website for that ( and 2) I hope you discover this book the same way I did, read it for what it is and not for what you think it might be, and love it the same way I do. 🙂


I give this 9/10 – it’s compelling, stunning, memorable, and beautiful. 🙂


Jo Graham

Jo Graham



Posted by on August 24, 2008 in Reviews


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Upcoming Posts. :-)

Well, there we go. 🙂 David is, let me tell you, a wonderful gracious guy. I’ve been lucky enough to have had some very cool interviews with some very cool people, and I know the trend will continue. 🙂

I’ve got a link for David’s site on the right under ‘Authors’ so go check it out! 🙂

I’m reading Jo Graham’s Black Ships at the moment, (as I’m sure I’ve already said), and Jo has (as I’m sure I’ve already said) graciously agreed to an interview, so I’ll finish the book, get my review up, send her my questions and then post it here. 🙂 The next author in line will probably be Peter F Hamilton; as soon as I get a chance to type out the questions I’ll send them through to him – if you’re reading this Peter, thanks for waiting! 🙂

In September, I’ll have two Karen’s and one Kate: Karen Traviss, Karen Miller and Kate Elliot! 🙂

And (this is something new I’ll be starting), I’ll be creating a new blof here on WordPress for news and interviews with other authors, the first of which will be Tess Gerritsen! 🙂 More details on that as it happens. 🙂

If I’ve forgotten something, I’ll be back later to update. Until then,

Be Fantastic!

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Posted by on August 20, 2008 in Announcements


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I feel Honoured

Can you imagine my surprise when I saw my name mentioned on the websites of two of the authors I’ve interviewed? 🙂

If anyone thinks that Peter V Brett and David Anthony Durham are elitist (since so many uninformed people see the writers of fantasy -and SF- as elitist), they need to have their head’s read. Or maybe shaken. Along with Ben Bova, Karen Traviss and Jo Graham, Peter and David are some of the nicest people I’ve met (well, okay, met electronically), and I defy anyone who thinks differently. I mean, to reply to a guy they’ve never heard of from South Africa and help me out the way they have says a lot about who they are, don’t you think? To have given up their time to fiddle around on Word for me is absolutely great! 🙂

So, the next time some guy on a blog site, or some critic who doesn’t know what he’s talking about says that SF & Fantasy writers are elitist, help me by giving them an electronic clout against the head, will you?

🙂 Thanks

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Posted by on August 18, 2008 in Musings


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